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September 16, 2005

And Justice For All

I happened to catch some of CourtTV this afternoon when they were showing a clip of Chai Vang testifying. His description of the way he took out his gun to shoot Jessica Willers, one of many he killed that day, was amazingly matter of fact. He explained that the hunters were attacking him with racial slurs and didn't seem to understand that racial slur isn't something worthy of lethal self defense. Thankfully, the jury agreed.

Hmong Man Found Guilty in Hunter Deaths

Additionally, the article cites someone playing the race card:

Outside court, one of Vang's friends questioned the all-white jury's makeup and maintained Vang was innocent.

"All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Pofwmyeh Yang said. "I believe only one person can judge, and that's God. But God didn't judge today."


Now, admittedly I'm Caucasian, but looking at the case, if I weren't white I would be somewhat offended at this implication that non-whites should be on a jury to secure freedom for a murderer. And "All Americans"? Yes, they have to all be Americans in order to be on a jury, right?

Additionally, as a Christian I agree that God is the final judge of us all, but in a civilized society we must have laws and the breaking of those laws must have consequences. That is what we saw today.

Posted by Abigail at September 16, 2005 08:50 PM

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I don't think everyone believes the 'racial slurs' part of the story. Initially, there was no explaination for the shooting. It was only after the lawyers got involved that the 'race card' came into play. It's not very believable that everyone that came onto the scene - unarmed and observing victims everywhere - would immediately began shouting racial slurs. This guy is a cold-blooded killer, regardless of minority status.

Posted by: Bruce at September 16, 2005 09:21 PM

"He explained that the hunters were attacking him with racial slurs and didn't seem to understand that racial slur isn't something worthy of lethal self defense. Thankfully, the jury agreed."
OTOH:
Given the state of PC Hate Speech rules today, one could almost sound reasonable explaining how he was propagandized into believing precisely that.
Thus HE is a victim here.

Posted by: Doug at September 16, 2005 10:00 PM

Do racists deserve to die? no.
Does making a racist remark make a person a racist? maybe
Is Vang guilty? yes.

But a minority would understand the motivation behind Vang and why he shot these people. If you've ever been on the receiving end of racial slurs, I think you understand the unactable desire of killing those bigots. Vang simply acted on it.

Not saying he is a hero, but I understand him while the above people apparently don't.

Posted by: kal at September 17, 2005 04:00 PM

Assuming that there were racial slurs coming from all or some of the victims, one doesn't have to be a certain minority to understand hate speech. People find all kinds of ways to say hateful things. As a woman (and one with relatively dark coloring), I've heard my share of ignorant things - and even if I hadn't, I understand anger and I understand offense and hurt. Though, I don't understand wishing to kill others because of that kind of hurt.

In either case, I thank you for proving my exact point which is that even a fellow minority who empathizes with Vang's motivation says he is guilty. This is exactly what the people on the steet implied would not have happened if people such as yourself were on the jury.

Posted by: Abigail at September 17, 2005 06:41 PM

Like Doug above (I assume it's Doug from Bogus Gold), I have been a bit closer to this case, only because it is a big story here in the Twin Cities. Here is why Vang is guilty. First, two of his victims were shot in the back. Say what you want, you don't get a self-defense verdict from any jury when you shoot your victims in the back. Did I mention that he had to track those two victims down? Again, no chance of self-defense there. Second, he was read the name of each victim when he was cross-examined. He was asked, as each name was read, if the person "deserved to die." He answered "yes" three times. No jury, regardless of the composition, woudl fail to return first-degree murder with those answer. Just as damning, of course, is that means that Vang does not believe that three of his victims deserved to die. Does that mean that those three were not in self-defense? Sadly, this was a very easy case for the jury. Those who are trying to make it something else are fooling themselves and trying to fool others. Vang condemned himself with his own words. No other words are necessary.

Posted by: Mark Sides at September 18, 2005 02:14 AM