{"id":461,"date":"2008-07-16T22:08:03","date_gmt":"2008-07-17T02:08:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stonescryout.org\/?p=461"},"modified":"2008-07-17T08:28:23","modified_gmt":"2008-07-17T12:28:23","slug":"461","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/?p=461","title":{"rendered":"Dog, Fetus, Zen, and All That"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In the early 80s the hottest book to read, discuss, and ponder in the circles I traveled was the (then) recently published <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Godel-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden\/dp\/0465026567\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1216253435&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">Godel, Escher, Bach<\/a> <\/em>by Douglas Hofstadter. One of the topics this popularized was the famous zen koan:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Has a dog, Buddha nature or not?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A Western perhaps mistranslation of &#8220;Buddha&#8221; nature might be &#8220;a soul&#8221;. The answer is not, &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; but the retort by the master was &#8220;mu&#8221;? Mr Hofstadter&#8217;s intellectual answer to that puzzle is that &#8220;mu&#8221; is in essence, unasking that question. That is, a way of emphatically insisting that the very <em>asking<\/em> of the question implies horrible structural defects in your conceptual framework that leads to this question being askable at all.<\/p>\n<p>This leads us to the question:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Has a fetus a soul or not?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>One proposal to consider is not, the emphatic &#8220;no&#8221; by the pro-abortion rights crowd (or to be fair, the insistent &#8220;yes\/maybe&#8221; by the pro-life crowd) but instead to assume that we&#8217;ve made a critical mistake in our structural worldview and conception of reality for which this question is being relevant is a sign of error, not a point to ponder.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>It is interesting to note that those who would defend firmly the right of a woman to remove her fetus completely without restriction would, at the same time be just as willing to note that dogs (and pets in general) <em>do <\/em>have rights. Mr Vick was clearly out of bounds in having dog fights, but the abortion-for-profit industry must be defended at the same time. However, as is often the case, I&#8217;m getting derailed. Back to the point, what does it mean to be in a place where the question of whether a fetus (or dog) has a soul is unasked, or a question which does and should not arise?<\/p>\n<p>Well, to be honest, this is far as my initial insight while riding home on my bike this afternoon, in that balmy Northern Illinois 90 degree humid weather went. To the rescue however, comes a very non-Hofstadteran insight via my RSS feed. Father Stephen Freeman <a href=\"http:\/\/fatherstephen.wordpress.com\/2008\/07\/16\/our-capacity-for-love-an-update\/\" target=\"_blank\">points at love<\/a>. He writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Fr. Sophrony Sakharov, in his writings about St. Silouan of Mt. Athos and the spiritual life, notes that \u201cman as persona becomes infinite, despite his \u2018creaturehood\u2019.\u201d (In <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Love-Therefore-Theological-Archimandrite-Sophrony\/dp\/0881412368\/sr=8-4\/qid=1162754141\/ref=sr_1_4\/102-8116961-6181756?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books\">I Love Therefore I Am<\/a><\/em>, page 80)<\/p>\n<p>Fr. Sophrony understands that, created in the image of God, the human person has a capacity for infinity, an ability to love, to be in relationship that is without limit. In such a sense, it truly becomes possible to pray for the whole world.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and just a few days ago, Anastasia Theodoris <a href=\"http:\/\/anastasias-corner.blogspot.com\/2008\/07\/god-of-perfect-love-god-of-perfect.html\" target=\"_blank\">wrote<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>When I became Orthodox, I discovered that I had spent much of my life misinterpreting this commandment of Christ. Like so many others, I\u2019d taken Jesus to mean that I should love my neighbor with the same fervor and to the same degree that I loved myself \u2014 and I love myself a lot. But what Jesus is really saying is that I should be so selfless that I live only for my neighbor. In my neighbor\u2019s presence, I recognize only one existence: his or hers. All my concerns are for him. I keep none for myself. When I empty myself of me, I <em>become<\/em> my neighbor. God commands us to love Him and our neighbor like this because this is the way He loves us. We are everything to Him.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The thrust of this suggestion is that love of &#8220;other&#8221; (where &#8220;other&#8221; is other living beings), if set as as the fundamental basis for one&#8217;s basis for our ethics <em>then<\/em> does a dog (or fetus) have Buddha nature (or a soul) is not a question which arises.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the early 80s the hottest book to read, discuss, and ponder in the circles I traveled was the (then) recently published Godel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter. One of the topics this popularized was the famous zen koan: Has a dog, Buddha nature or not? 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