{"id":928,"date":"2008-10-21T23:00:37","date_gmt":"2008-10-22T03:00:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stonescryout.org\/?p=928"},"modified":"2008-10-21T23:00:37","modified_gmt":"2008-10-22T03:00:37","slug":"mr-obama-is-a-socialistmr-obama-is-not-a-socialist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/?p=928","title":{"rendered":"Mr Obama is a Socialist<br \/>Mr Obama is <em>not<\/em> a Socialist"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>David Schraub objects to classifying <a href=\"http:\/\/dsadevil.blogspot.com\/2008\/10\/fyi-it-still-wont-have-been-tried.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mr Obama as a socialist<\/a> &#8230; and he is right and wrong at the same time.<\/p>\n<p>Well, that is, of course, because it all depends on what is &#8220;is&#8221;. Oops. Sorry wrong word. <em>Actually<\/em>, it really depends more strongly on what you mean by <em>socialist<\/em>. By a strict definitional standpoint, a socialist is<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Socialism<\/strong> refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the <a title=\"Means of production\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Means_of_production\">means of production<\/a> and distribution of goods, and the creation of an <a title=\"Egalitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Egalitarianism\">egalitarian<\/a> society. Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century <a title=\"Working class\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Working_class\">working class<\/a> political movement. <a title=\"Karl Marx\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karl_Marx\">Karl Marx<\/a> posited that socialism would be achieved via <a title=\"Class struggle\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Class_struggle\">class struggle<\/a> and a <a title=\"Proletarian revolution\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proletarian_revolution\">proletarian revolution<\/a> which represents the <em>transitional<\/em> stage between <a title=\"Capitalism\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Capitalism\">capitalism<\/a> and <a title=\"Communism\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Communism\">communism<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, by that definition, strictly speaking Mr Obama is not a socialist. He doesn&#8217;t want a &#8220;transition&#8221; to a Marxist regime and doesn&#8217;t want the government to fully control have collective ownership of corporations (that is except for the banks). So in a <em>strict sense<\/em>, he is not a socialist. So, Mr Obama is not a socialist.<\/p>\n<p><em>However<\/em>, by a more casual usage of the term &#8220;socialist&#8221;, there is a continuum between those (precious few) who believe in a completely unregulated economy and a strict Marxist\/socialist. In that sense, the notion that Mr Obama is pressing policies that would engage <em>more<\/em> government&#8217;s distribution of goods, such as &#8220;spreading the wealth&#8221; than <em>are currently in place<\/em>, it is perfectly true that he is trending toward socialism and at the same time his critics would prefer the reverse. Their claim that from their point on the spectrum, &#8220;he is a socialist&#8221; is true in that sense. Liberal and conservative are fuzzy terms, which honestly really mean &#8220;more liberal than me, and more conservative than me&#8221; for a lot of people who commonly view themselves as somewhere near the center (one might replace &#8220;me&#8221; with &#8220;my perception of where the &#8216;center&#8217; lies) . Socialist in this sense, would mean &#8220;more tending to socialism&#8221; than either me (or my perception of the &#8220;middle&#8221;). In that sense, Mr Obama is <em>arguably<\/em> a socialist. So, Mr Obama is a socialist.<\/p>\n<p>See.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>David Schraub objects to classifying Mr Obama as a socialist &#8230; and he is right and wrong at the same time. Well, that is, of course, because it all depends on what is &#8220;is&#8221;. Oops. Sorry wrong word. Actually, it really depends more strongly on what you mean by socialist. By a strict definitional standpoint, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13,21,58],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-928","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-conservative","category-liberal","category-marko"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/928","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=928"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/928\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=928"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=928"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=928"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}