{"id":99,"date":"2008-01-28T07:00:39","date_gmt":"2008-01-28T11:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stonescryout.org\/?p=99"},"modified":"2008-01-28T23:04:23","modified_gmt":"2008-01-29T03:04:23","slug":"to-evolve-morality","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stonescryout.org\/?p=99","title":{"rendered":"To evolve morality"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A fatal flaw for the notion of natural process evolution is that it has no way to explain the abstract. In a world of the strictly natural, what are we to make of, say, love?<\/p>\n<p>At the pro-evolution site, Panda&#8217;s Thumb, we see a post titled, <a href=\"http:\/\/pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2008\/01\/evolution-of-al-1.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Evolution of altruistic cooperation and communication in robot societies<\/em><\/a>. The author states,<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Discover<span style=\"text-decoration: line-through\">y<\/span> Magazine reports on a continuation of experiments involving evolvable robots, communication and concepts such as altruistic cooperation and lying.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"kw-quote\">\n<p class=\"kw-quote-body\">By the 50<sup>th<\/sup> generation, the robots had learned to communicate\u2014lighting up, in three out of four colonies, to alert the others when they\u2019d found food or poison. The fourth colony sometimes evolved \u201ccheater\u201d robots instead, which would light up to tell the others that the poison was food, while they themselves rolled over to the food source and chowed down without emitting so much as a blink.<\/p>\n<p>Some robots, though, were veritable heroes. They signaled danger and died to save other robots. \u201cSometimes,\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/lis.epfl.ch\/member.php?SCIPER=111729\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"external \">Floreano<\/a> says, \u201cyou see that in nature\u2014an animal that emits a cry when it sees a predator; it gets eaten, and the others get away\u2014but I never expected to see this in robots.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Fascinating how simple processes of variation and selection can explain the evolution of altruism, cooperation as well as cheating. What has ID done recently that increases our understanding of how cooperation, cheating and altruism arose?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Is he serious? A <a href=\"http:\/\/stephane.magnenat.net\/data\/Evolutionary%20Conditions%20for%20the%20Emergence%20of%20Communication%20in%20Robots%20-%20Dario%20Floreano,%20Sara%20Mitri,%20St%C3%A9phane%20Magnenat,%20Laurent%20Keller%20-%20Current%20Biology%20-%202007.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">contrived experiment<\/a> (PDF), with designed parameters, mimicking established social group characteristics explains <em>the evolution of altruism, cooperation as well as cheating<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>Be on the lookout, whenever natural process evolutionists attempt to explain the abstract, they always end up sneaking in the back door and stealing concepts that don&#8217;t belong to them. You see, in the world of naturalism (i.e., the strictly natural), there is no basis with which one can declare that some action is <em>altruistic<\/em> or someone is a <em>cheater<\/em>. Without an objective moral understanding that altruism is good, and cheating is wrong, the words lose their meaning.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A fatal flaw for the notion of natural process evolution is that it has no way to explain the abstract. In a world of the strictly natural, what are we to make of, say, love? At the pro-evolution site, Panda&#8217;s Thumb, we see a post titled, Evolution of altruistic cooperation and communication in robot societies. 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